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宣统大清铜币两枚(五文、一厘)

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发表于 2014-9-3 13:53:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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宣三系列铜板做工精美,深得藏家喜爱。这次香港拍卖有幸拍得两枚,五文评级SP63BN,一厘评级MS62BN。
评级公司区分MS与SP在最早是看工艺,比如广东七钱二 三钱六,镜面工艺的被评为SP,后来又是看品种,比如中心苏五文 二文 江苏五文 二文飞龙,都评为SP,现在来看是工艺与品种相结合,五文是样币样打,因此评为SP,一厘是样币普打,因此评为MS。
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发表于 2014-9-3 14:00:07 | 显示全部楼层
漂亮的两枚!

其实对于SP和MS,SP究竟是工艺还是品种,是PCGS自己搞糊涂、搞混了。MS对应等级还有AU、XF、VF,SP只有一个。所以SP更应该对品种,只要样币就应该是SP。真的是镜面工艺的,可以打PL或者PF。但是目前PCGS混多镜面样币,还是给的MS,比如金币系列。这一点,比较无语!
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发表于 2014-9-3 15:57:43 | 显示全部楼层
老外的游戏规则中国人很多不懂!
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发表于 2014-9-3 20:25:29 | 显示全部楼层
两枚都是铜元中的精品,谢谢老师上传,,,,,,,,,
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发表于 2014-9-3 21:22:07 | 显示全部楼层
中心苏字2、5文的错误已经纠正了,不是SP了,说明PCGS在评中国币上也在学习和进步。
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发表于 2014-9-4 04:19:14 | 显示全部楼层
亚高 发表于 2014-9-3 14:00
漂亮的两枚!

其实对于SP和MS,SP究竟是工艺还是品种,是PCGS自己搞糊涂、搞混了。MS对应等级还有AU、XF、 ...

同意周兄的理解。
一下是一段对SP (specimen), PL (proof-like)以及 PF/PR (Proof) 比较全面的解释。改天哪个翻译水品高的兄弟姐妹们给翻一下。
STRIKING STYLE.

The grade refers to the amount of wear, but there are also different striking styles or finishes, which are a different thing.

MINT STATE sometimes abbreviated as MS, refers to coins intended to be issued through the banks for normal circulation, which went through all of the normal mint handling process that leave "bag marks" on the coins and so even right out of original rolls they were usually far from perfect coins with the average grade in an original roll from the 1960's and earlier MS-60 to MS-63. Finding MS-64 or better coins can be difficult.

PROOF-LIKE sometimes abbreviated as PL, is an odd category. These are coins minted specifically to be issued in official mint sets. The mint never claimed they were anything other than choice MS coins, but are very early strikes from fresh dies and were put side to go into the sets before going through the entire mint handling process, meaning they tend have have higher lustre and far fewer bag marks than MS coins. However they are not perfect mark-free coins and average PL-64 to PL-65 in the sets. Experienced collector or dealer will know one when they see one. The term Proof-like was invented by dealers to differentiate these from normal MS coins, for reasons I will discuss below. Proof-like sets were first sold to the public in 1954, although single PL coins earlier than 1954 do exist.

Specimen which is sometime abbreviated as SPEC or just SP. Specimen coins were also minted for special mint sets. The differ from PL coins because the dies are specially finished to give the coins either a higher lustre or sometimes a specific matte finish, and the coins are double struck to give sharper images, normally higher sharper rims, and design meet the fields at a sharper angle. Specimens have been made since the beginning of Canadian coinage, with early sets were used for official government presentations, although in 1908, 1937 and 1967 sets were made for sale to collectors. Beginning in 1971 specimen sets made to sell to collectors became a standard part of the mints product line, and most such sets are very common today. Like proof coins, specimen coins were never intended to circulate so did not go through any of the standard mint handling systems that put bag marks on MS coins. Most specimen coins are relatively mark free and start off in the SP-66 to SP-68 range.

PROOF which is sometimes abbreviated as PR. Proof coins are also struck only for special mint sets. Canadian Proof coins are struck on selected blanks from dies with carefully polished fields, and frosted designs, then double struck to give them amazing sharpness. Each coin is carefully handled and packaged right off the die to keep them virtually mark free. The frosted images and lettering against the mirror like background (an ultra-cameo effect) are very attractive and because of the special handing are usually in Proof-66 to Proof 68, although coins right up to Proof-70 occur. The earliest Canadian proof coins were struck in 1973 for the Montreal Olympics, but production of normal denominations in proof begins in 1981. Earlier Canadian coins are sometimes seen with the cameo affect, and some can look almost like proof coins, but are not. Not all world proof coins, including US coin, have frosting but do share the mirror like fields.

It is important to understand these distinctions, because for many dates there is more than one striking style and they are not priced the same. Where Pl's, Specimens or Proofs from sets exist in large numbers (generally true for PL after 1953, Specimen after 1970 and most Canadian Proof coins), while these are usually the nicest looking coins, they generally do not command the prices of the upper end MS coins (generally MS-64 or higher). An example the 1967 Canadian dollar, which can easily be found in PL-65 from a proof-like set, or Specimen-65 or better from one of the black boxed specimen sets, for not much more than the value of the silver in them. A 1967 dollar in MS-65 from a bank roll is very difficult to find and might sell in the $500 range. Understand how this works is important. We occasionally see people sell PL and Specimen coins claiming they are high end MS coins, and asking prices far beyond the coins value. Such people are either totally inexperienced, or are committing fraud.

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----我很贱。明知它最终并不属于我,还要为它散尽千金。
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发表于 2014-9-5 14:22:53 | 显示全部楼层
喜欢第二枚。。。
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大清上尉 发表于 2014-9-5 14:22
喜欢第二枚。。。

精美程度上,更喜欢第一枚:)
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发表于 2014-9-5 15:21:15 | 显示全部楼层
亚高 发表于 2014-9-5 14:47
精美程度上,更喜欢第一枚:)

如果是俩姐妹的话,第一枚因张扬,华丽而显硬气;第二枚虽低调,柔弱但归于成熟。。。
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大清上尉 发表于 2014-9-5 15:21
如果是俩姐妹的话,第一枚因张扬,华丽而显硬气;第二枚虽低调,柔弱但归于成熟。。。 ...

上尉兄,非常精妙的点评!确实如此,追求收藏品种上,第二枚更值得关注!
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发表于 2014-9-13 18:58:41 | 显示全部楼层
漂亮状态,谢谢楼主分享,喜欢!欣赏啦!
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发表于 2015-8-26 00:13:58 | 显示全部楼层
请老师们看看我这枚大清铜币一厘,可以评到什么级别,谢谢。
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发表于 2015-9-3 14:34:44 | 显示全部楼层
何氏币 发表于 2014-9-4 04:19
同意周兄的理解。
一下是一段对SP (specimen), PL (proof-like)以及 PF/PR (Proof) 比较全面的解释。 ...

这个介绍只适合于加拿大钱币。sp,PR 对于他们是销售方式的区分。无法适用在其他国家。
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发表于 2015-9-4 17:54:32 | 显示全部楼层
SP的定义应该就是样币
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发表于 2015-9-7 11:26:58 | 显示全部楼层

好好
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发表于 2015-9-26 21:57:59 | 显示全部楼层
我有两枚,大清铜币户部丙午的,值钱吗?
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