民国白铜鎏金打火机

美梦成真

民国白铜鎏金中国黑打火机

美梦成真

直接感受古物的美

路人甲

右手拇指点开首席收藏正准备划帖子，左手拿着 火折子 正准备点根烟抽...........！

看着你的帖子........又看看我的手.........见鬼啦.....！

☞我这颗火折子是21世纪我老弟送的，來自法兰西S.T. Dupont、2010年LAQUE DE CHINE黑面款，正18K，型号:12F HJ 15。

☞直接感受21世纪被我磕碰伤的美！

据了解..........！

1,这种奢华型打火机是S.T.Dupont在1941年创造的，而这种打开会“当”一声.....的打火机也是S.T.Dupont在70年代开发出来的。

2,这种打开会“当”一声......的打火机，还有Rolex金表，流行于7,80年代日本，是当时“雅库扎的啊尼奇”(やくざ の あにき)身份地位的标配。PS. 哦 对了，Rolex会卖那么贵.....就是以前日本人炒作的。

3,之后8,90年代港、台两地的扛霸子跟大仔，纷纷起而效尤。

亚高

路人甲 发表于 2023-10-8 23:07
右手鼠标点开首席收藏正准备划帖子，左手拿着 火折子 正准备点根烟抽...........！
看着你的帖子........又 ...

认知真的是好东西。

海外菜鸟

有趣的东西，随便检索一下，海外这类产品竟然假货泛滥。
S.T. Dupont Lighter Authentication guide (With pictures!)
OUTDATED AS OF 9 FEB 2021. PLEASE PROCEED TO NEW STICKIED POST

RULE 1 for buying off ebay, etsy ect...: If they seller has not posted the bottom portion of the lighter that clearly shows the serial number and declines to show it.

DO
NOT
BUY
IT.

BY SERIAL NUMBER (Primarily identification)

Below is an initial list of fake serial numbers that can be cross referenced to the ones that need to be STAMPED not ENGRAVED on your lighter.

Real:

Uneven, imperfect and not perfectly spaced = authentic. Due to it being hand stamped

Fake:

Serial number is on the list, numbers are evenly spaced and perfectly perpendicular = FAKE

4FK is the most commonly used fake serial number online.

Fake serial numbers so far:

If the serial starts with any of these codes, they are fakes.

4FK(MOST COMMON FAKE SERIAL)

05D

06D

14A

1GM

1AA

1A8

1FJ
1GC

1KS
19LT

2A0

2YJ

2JN

2FJ
6FN

7FN

8A3

93T

O4D

IF your serial numbers look perfectly aligned next to each other both in spacing and alignment (See photo 2) then your lighter is sadly not genuine and a fake. If you serial number does not match any of the listed serial numbers below and it is stamped and uneven (See photo 1) then the lighter is most likely genuine.

NOTE: Some genuine lighters have been stamped with care and evenly, while they are not 100% perfect they may seem like a fake due to the care taken to the spacing and stamping on them. If you are unsure about the serial number being real or not because of this,

Check the first three characters to the list above, if it is not listed in the list above confirm that the refill cap has a color code inside. If there is no refill cap, ask for the lighter to be weighted and check the weight.

Limited edition lighters

Limited edition lighters are only created in small batches, and therefor will not contain a serial number stamped on the underside of them. Instead, they will contain the numbered piece that lighter is in the run that was commissioned from ST Dupont as seen below.



This lighter is 1935 out of 2686 ever made. Also limited edition lighters are not stamped



Another example from a genuine 007 series lighter. Please note that 007 series lighters are the most common fake limited editions sold.

If the lighter you are looking at says that it is a "limited edition" and does not have a numbered lighter but a regular serial number on it, DO NOT BUY IT. It is a fake.

BY WEIGHT

Genuine lighters are naturally lightweight for the owner not to have the heft in their pockets, therefor if the lighter no matter if it is empty or filled weighs more than 110grams on a scale, it is a fake model.

The exception to this rule are the special edition versions that naturally will weigh more due to the amount of extra materials involved in the creative process.

FAKE LIGHTERS WILL TYPICALLY BE 130+ GRAMS IN WEIGHT

Fake Ligne 2 lighter

Real Ligne 2 lighter's weight will depend on what they have on them and whether or not they are filled or empty. However they will not Be above 130grams in weight.

BY FILLER CAP COLOR CODE

Your color code is located inside of the refill cover cap as seen here:

This specific lighter takes the Red colored Dupont refill gas.

If after referencing the serial number you are still unsure(as some lighters will have near perfect stampings of the serial numbers at some points) you can reference the filler cap to confirm if it is a genuine lighter.
From the filler cap(the cap that you remove to refill the lighter with) Dupont will hand paint the corresponding color code that you to refill the lighter with.
The color codes that Dupont uses are as follows

Green
Red
Blue
Gold

Usually this is what you will find depending on the model:
Ligne 1, - Red (though gold has been seen).

Ligne 2 full size - Gold.

Ligne 2 small size and Gatsby - Green.

If there is no color code painted inside of the cap, or the cap has been lost or replaced, chances are that the lighter MAY be a fake one. This does not confirm that the lighter is a fake due to its absence, however is a good tell to show that it is a genuine one.

In closing, most pristine Dupont lighters, especially limited edition Linge 2 models will not go for $300-400 bucks.

So please use your guy and common sense that if you see these lighters coming from China, Hong Kong, ect countries that are selling lighters that are typically selling for $2,000+ for less than $300 new in box, chances are that they are genuinely fakes.

More tips and tricks can be found at this Youtube video if you still require help.

https://youtu.be/2BDpAbnJaww

美梦成真

  按书面上的说法兄是正确的，咱只是靠感觉。从图片来看咱的打火机是未抛光，鎏金，烤漆黑材质为白铜。曾听一位搞地质地质勘探的老人说过，白铜在清代和民国中早期经过过度开采，到民国晚期才发现全世界白铜储蓄非常稀少，为保护珍稀白铜，不准再开采。成品白铜只有在奖赏为国家做出贡献的伟人章，部队军人立大功才会使用，并且用的是以前剩下的库存，称为原矿白铜。原矿的白铜做成物品后，人在使用中不会像合成白铜发黑。原矿白铜物品越用越亮。随着人们对原矿白铜认知不断增加，原矿白铜物品价值必然也会大幅增长。
  为啥咱会以为这只打火机是民国时期的，就要把打火机图中由字母B向字母G竖看，会发现火机转轮上方用刀具刻有王武两字，而另一面会有军刀图案。按照古时惯例白铜鎏金只会奖赏为国开疆拓土或抵抗外来入侵作战大捷的人。清代没有发明打火机，而***领导的人民军队不搞奢侈的物品奖赏，就只有GMD才会搞。这样就会联想到抗日战争时期的王耀武将军，王耀武将军曾在1945年雪峰山战役中对日作战立下赫赫战功，大胜后收到老蒋物质奖励。王耀将军获得打火机后根据古人似是非是还是神似，在火机上刻下名字的简写和军刀作为信物，既方便急需时作为凭证又可隐藏。
  这次补上的火机图片下方三眼，从左到右。第一眼是加气的，第二眼是十字螺丝，是调进气量大小的门第三眼是一字螺丝，是调出气量大小的，这只打火机完全是按照野外作战时风力有大有小，风向不定时专门定做的，在当时来说已经非常先进了。火机螺丝经过长时间氧化已经生锈了，而后仿打火机由于技术的进步和批量机器生产，成本早已很低，他们不可能找来大量生锈螺丝组装成品，反而这是大量伪火机的防火墙。任何物品的发明早期多是手工制造，这只打火机也是同样如此。

路人甲

美梦成真兄，你的研究路线又歪了...........！若对文玩古物有兴趣，在购藏这类小东西千万不能“靠感觉”，除非你真的很懂，否则很容易买到仿古物或假货。古玩街摆地摊的文玩贩子，最喜欢就是你这种会帮东西自行脑补加故事的恩客。...........还有；“感觉”这种飘渺的东西，通常只有被绿的时候才会很准。

开始前同样认真的问；
1、您这次听.........“搞地质勘探的老人”..........跟上次奇遇四川汉字铜元帖里那位“同坐火车老者的先辈从事过铜矿开采”...........是不是同一人？
2、老蒋送抗日王耀武将军打火机这事您是怎么知道的？
3、恕我愚钝，这转轮上方“王武”二字刀刻在那？........ 您不会是指那掉漆的地方吧？！如果那块掉漆能让您联想而看成是“王武”二字(我是觉得比较像“土成or土咸”)，你真应该去玩「形象雅石」，因为你太...太... 太有天份了。

「白铜」不是「矿」，它是铜合金，合金可以从废金属中回收重炼，所以没有开采及储量这方面问题。以前的白铜会发黑是因为铅锌含量比超标，明、清之前铜矿冶炼技术不高，在熔炼时无法完全将铜矿里会的伴生矿；银、铁、铅、锌、锡.....完全分离。宋钱是最常见到白铜钱，古时的白铜钱之所以会发黑是因为含有较高的铅锌.....等伴生矿，古钱上的白色铜锈则是....锌、锡....等氧化的化合物。所以你几乎不会在清代以前看到有红铜的东西。现代工业用的白铜则多是指以铜镍为主的合金。

18、19世纪白铜逐渐被广泛运用，一开始主要是为了取代「银」。19、20世纪人们在冶炼白铜(铜镍合金)时 ，发现其具耐磨及抗氧化，所以被拿来替代银跟铜而被做成硬币。另一方面是白铜既保有铜的传导性而没有铜的缺点，所以也被用来替代电器产品里某些铜材部件。

一战的欧洲军人跟二战的美国军人，身上带煤油打火机主要就只是想抽烟，战场上军人身上的打火机有个跟军籍牌同样的功能，就是被炮弹炸到稀巴烂时，捡尸的可以从遗物中辨识这大概是谁的尸块，所以他们会在打火机刻上名字。

你这打火机底部图..........中间那个十字螺丝......它就只是组装锁住内部构件固定用。打火机灌瓦斯，没有飞弹火箭升空前灌注高辛烷值的航空燃料那般危险，不信你把它转开就会发现...... 唉！怎么松了。所以它只是颗单纯锁在壳外的平头十字螺丝。

民国是1911〜1949！Dupont是世界第一颗做出瓦斯填充打火机(1952年)，当时因填充瓦斯很不方便，加上一下子就没气了，所以没人喜欢。6、70年左右逐渐有GAS(丁烷)罐，瓦斯打火才流行起来并取代煤油打火机。煤油打火机最具历史品牌的是奥地利的IMCO与美利坚的ZIPPO。

有名的精品高档打火机就这三个品牌，一是Cartier.....多是给城里的名媛贵妇装高贵优雅钓恺子用。二是Dunhill......是给“尖头们”(Gentlemen)装英伦绅士钓马子用的。三是就是Dupont.......那个打开会“当”一声......是给假装自己利害的人在抽Cohiba Cigar、喝Single Malt Whisky装雅痞(或；装B、装行情)用。..... (沃草！说着说着.......给自已開一枪！).................. ☞这段是为了提高你阅读兴趣多写的！

☞所以很不幸的跟你说.............
你的打火机违反“薛定谔的猫”........对“量子纠缠”性质对时空的理论，根据“量子去相干理论”的应用，量子力学以“哥本哈根诠释”和“爱因斯坦悖论”........，对于宏观物体会产生的问题，以及其与物理常识间的矛盾。.............其实我也不懂这个薛定谔的猫......跟量子纠缠........跟时间、空间........有啥矛盾？我只是觉得这段话很酷所以贴上来。...........不过我知道.........你这颗带着古物美的冥国打火机........穿越了！

正義小蔡

不管是原打火机还是后打火机,只要能打着火点燃烟就是个好打火机. 当然拿下的价位是越低越好, 如果价高了也OK少吃一只烤鸭而已, 有学习掌握到更多藏识更重要.